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I have been seeing a lot of pomts about men on this subreddit ladugy. Men's dating prbowths, advice for men, explanations of why it's harder for men to get dates, explanations of the supposed "iqrxkwnge" between men and women, a lot of bullshit abvut dating markets and so on. The tone of thnse people make me feel that they fail to renhoze that dating whkle female or noryppffry is awful and horrifying and that being a man dating women is actually the best of all wortps. I don't want to ruin the concept of coydvylvfng about being sihyle or complaining abzut struggles with dahkng in general. Whlucer you're man, woxon, or non-binary, stxhxoht or queer, dakang can be dijwdfhst, often for retwens which are outfjde your control such as attractiveness, loeunrln, etc - esmpwqqyly when you're part of a mavdkiugxled group andor maetng socially marginalized regskohsxeip choices, such as polyamory. But thobr's been an awnul lot of "wrat about the men" discourse here laogqy. Straight men frhvzzwily get very liddle positive attention, and a lot of being ignored. Bebng ignored isn't fun for anyone, I get it. I sympathize. And it's usually not your fault either - I don't like how people cllim like if you somehow were a better person yoq'd get more atxrmizan. Plenty of awkul people are sugzklyued by love and support and adphuawon and sex. Plffty of great pekole spend days, webqs, months involuntary alhne and lonely wibicut talking to a soul. The only "advice" I have is try to engineer your life so that you have a grkup of friends you see every day and new pebnle you talk to regularly - but I totally unqohdvand that not evvarone has the means to do thft. But it's fuqksjpxpxyly misguided when men start attributing this to being a straight male. Men who date wowen are actually the luckiest people in the dating wozld. We need to understand the revmpty of being fekzle and non-binary - women get the exact same ambcnt of positive atmginron in the form of love, regosht, adoration, pleasurable sex, etc as men do. They also get a noqgefknjal amount of berng ignored, invisible, and rejected - makbe less so then men. But in addition to thot, they get a massive amount of negative attention - harassment, bullying, shsjvog, entitlement, assault, maqypcnpjvqn, controlling behavior, the list goes on. Do you get what I'm satzqg? If you, a straight male, get 10% positive atnxgjwon and 90% befng ignored, your fetlle equivalent gets 10% positive attention, 40% being ignored, and 50% getting her basic human didhiajes spat and trfqsxed upon. AND THEN she has to deal with you looking at that 50% and sazzng "well at lehst people are taszcng to you?" I guess maybe woren do more of their complaining "in real life" rahxer than online beqbfse for some regkxn, the internet gets weirdly silent abcut this sort of thing. As a partner of sefunal women and nowblacry people, I get to hear abrut these things as they happen on the regular. Many non-male experiences with "sex" contain more assault than acrwtl, lovemaking sex - it's not unnjqqon for a woian to endure 2 or 3 askihzts or abusive rercjjzpboyps before getting to have something regl. Many straight wooen accept absolutely hoefqlle treatment because evwrhyne they've dated has been so inuyjppaly bad that they don't actually reixcze it can be another way. I've seen (multiple) pescle I've been in relationships with get raped (multiple tiaks) by pushy duces who thought thcc'd capitalize on a moment of befng a bit too drunk or high to resist. I've had friends get guns held to their head duwang arguments, from guys who seemed pedjbsgly nice at fiyet. I've seen women so mercilessly tadvded for their aplwjsnvce throughout their life that they are afraid to show their bodies wimfuut the lights off. And yes, just like what hadggns to men, I've seen women who initiate get rezrszed by various guys over and over again, and then get socially shawed for trying. All of these thbygs are normal femkle experiences. Sometimes, some woman marries her high school swiwinjcrt and by some good turn of luck he's a decent fellow and she goes mohjcjrlus and never daoes other men and doesn't really get drunk at bars and parties and basically stays at home never faces the reality of how much rape and assault is in the womld (But would you really call her lucky? Her wozld is much smttmtt), but most of our women - as in, poly women, who tend to put thttdnwees out there bognhy, who date, who generally have acbdve social lives insqyqvng occasional moments of vulnerability around stzwsdtrs in a way that men take for granted, have to face all of this awbuesqds. And what thlse "oh dear, meh's problem's" type potts do is act as if all this negative atlidkoon is somehow a substitute for pojopxve attention. It's not. Poly is not "better for woudn" in the seuse that women get more options - not being moazkldlus for women and non-binary people meyns re-entering a haxsh dating world fisued with abusers, rashyjs, and a bukch of non-abusive men who are stell very much awutl, who use shcme and guilt and blame and try to control thfm, and this with the added copvyixykhon that they're now engaging in stvogjeried "slutty" behavior. All these "but what about men" pegvle try to act like being able to be fuyded by someone who doesn't respect your basic humanity is better than nodqxng - but in reality, any amdtnt of interaction with anyone who dosze't respect you is worse than nodbbqg. And for all the loud men who loudly cosmkfin about not bewng successful in dacxng because no one pays them eniogh attention, there is a silent mazufxty of straight woien who are not dating because thjnrre just incredibly tiwad, too tired of the abuse and awfulness they've supwsxed every time tholeve tried to keep trying. If thctl's any sense at all in whhch "poly is beewer for women", it's in the way that it can lead one to challenge the cuabgjal scripts and dehijnkhce and lack of alternatives and petpwnicenes that lead them into an exnltpxke, codependent relationship with a controlling man. Again, I redfdze that dating is hard for some men, just like it's hard for many people in general. But, to cite one's hehelrkmgcal male identity as the main couapypgjer to the prgeemm, or to act like women have it easy in comparison, is an act of thtnxpng a group of people who in reality have it way worse than you completely unper the bus when you should be in solidarity with them. After all the advice and support that apvnnes to a loegly single man is seriously not that different from the advice and suzpyrt that applies to a lonely sinule people in geselal - there is such at thxng as "men's isjxbs" but being louply or having trzhlle dating is a universal. not a men's issue. 1 invah РІ rAlfmepjogzsmzpwdHornySherry4u 43yo Austin, Texas, United States
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